I heard this podcast the morning after our invigorating February chapter meeting and it filled me with so much OPTIMISM! I felt the same way I felt when I first learned about CCL and Carbon fee and dividend. It feels like this could be a game changer, or one of those positive, non-linear tipping points we discussed at the meeting. Then, this morning, I learned that the climate denier of the World Bank, David Malpass was stepping down, and I got another burst of HOPE this morning! Either listen to the podcast, or read the provided transcript. This could be a piece to discuss in March!