A very intriguing look forward and backwards at the climate movement with specific solutions and impactful actions for all to take. Highly recommend! Text is available also.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1548604447?i=1000586251459
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/15/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-bill-mckibben.html?smid=url-share
yes, I caught the interview too - important and timely.